Comments on: Clamp-down on Cloaking – the Google scattergun http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:10:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Thomas Rosenstand http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-266 Thomas Rosenstand Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:39:23 +0000 http://blog.heick.nu/archives/2007/10/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down#comment-266 Mikkel deMib described the whole story extremely elegant when he wrote in an answer to Marcel Fuursted: "You've mistaken this. It's not about beeing the stupid boy in the class but about beeing the bright boy" ;-) In my end of the world we have a saying for behavior like this: The light is on but nobody is home. Mikkel deMib described the whole story extremely elegant when he wrote in an answer to Marcel Fuursted: “You’ve mistaken this. It’s not about beeing the stupid boy in the class but about beeing the bright boy” ;-)

In my end of the world we have a saying for behavior like this: The light is on but nobody is home.

]]> By: Lars Bachmann http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-267 Lars Bachmann Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:17:17 +0000 http://blog.heick.nu/archives/2007/10/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down#comment-267 Im glad that i have nothing to do with cloaking. I think we have only seen the beginning of this case. Many sites will be banned from Google over the next couple of weeks. Im glad that i have nothing to do with cloaking. I think we have only seen the beginning of this case. Many sites will be banned from Google over the next couple of weeks.

]]> By: Rasmus http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-270 Rasmus Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:38:30 +0000 http://blog.heick.nu/archives/2007/10/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down#comment-270 Well, Peter don't what is wrong with them, but my own personal take from working with seo since 1999, is that they are simply in-experienced, ignorant and dumb. They haven't learned the hard way to keep their bloody mouths shut. Too bad for the clients though. Tonight, danish news site ComOn has a piece on it too: http://www.comon.dk/index.php/news/show/id=33792 just keeps on getting better and better. I'm making pop corn for this one ;) Well, Peter don’t what is wrong with them, but my own personal take from working with seo since 1999, is that they are simply in-experienced, ignorant and dumb. They haven’t learned the hard way to keep their bloody mouths shut. Too bad for the clients though.

Tonight, danish news site ComOn has a piece on it too: http://www.comon.dk/index.php/news/show/id=33792 just keeps on getting better and better. I’m making pop corn for this one ;)

]]> By: Peter http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-269 Peter Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:07:47 +0000 http://blog.heick.nu/archives/2007/10/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down#comment-269 (contd.) So when Google picks up the story and name customers, and when newspapers pick up the story and name customers, the customers don't take any risks???? http://www.erhvervsbladet.dk/article/20071128/news04/711280010/ WTF is wrong with these guys? (contd.)
So when Google picks up the story and name customers, and when newspapers pick up the story and name customers, the customers don’t take any risks????

http://www.erhvervsbladet.dk/article/20071128/news04/711280010/

WTF is wrong with these guys?

]]> By: Peter http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-268 Peter Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:04:32 +0000 http://blog.heick.nu/archives/2007/10/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down#comment-268 >> But the reason WE are out of the search engines is that we cloak and take the blame on our shoulders - just to save our clients from having any risk >> But the reason WE are out of the search engines is that we cloak and take the blame on our shoulders – just to save our clients from having any risk

]]> By: Rasmus http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-271 Rasmus Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:21:09 +0000 http://blog.heick.nu/archives/2007/10/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down#comment-271 Hmm, looks like theCutts reads your blog too Pål asd he has made some INTERESTING observations lately: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/ Matt and his colleague found a lot of nasty stuff and commented: <blockquote> That’s right, someone hasn’t configured their “undetectable” cloaking script correctly. The errors that the script is spewing out give absolute file paths and much more info. Digging into the details mentioned in the error messages quickly leads you to more domains. So much for that cloaking being undetectable. By the way, this cloaking script has been producing highly noticeable errors like this for almost two months. </blockquote> Guys, get a grip. If ya wanna cloak, do it right for christ sake ;) Merry Christmas Hmm, looks like theCutts reads your blog too Pål asd he has made some INTERESTING observations lately:

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/

Matt and his colleague found a lot of nasty stuff and commented:

That’s right, someone hasn’t configured their “undetectable” cloaking script correctly. The errors that the script is spewing out give absolute file paths and much more info. Digging into the details mentioned in the error messages quickly leads you to more domains. So much for that cloaking being undetectable. By the way, this cloaking script has been producing highly noticeable errors like this for almost two months.

Guys, get a grip. If ya wanna cloak, do it right for christ sake ;)
Merry Christmas

]]> By: Henrik H. http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-260 Henrik H. Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:00:44 +0000 http://blog.heick.nu/archives/2007/10/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down#comment-260 Wauh! Then we'll have to wait and see if sologstrand.dk are banned by Google when he does some cloaking there. Why should'nt he? It does not hurt the brand domain he says ;-) Wauh! Then we’ll have to wait and see if sologstrand.dk are banned by Google when he does some cloaking there. Why should’nt he? It does not hurt the brand domain he says ;-)

]]> By: HH http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-264 HH Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:46:06 +0000 http://blog.heick.nu/archives/2007/10/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down#comment-264 <p>Just to clear possible misunderstandings: </p> <p>The Henrik H.-profile in this blog is not that HH from www.sologstrand.dk where Marcel Fursted do his making for a living now.....</p> Just to clear possible misunderstandings:

The Henrik H.-profile in this blog is not that HH from http://www.sologstrand.dk where Marcel Fursted do his making for a living now…..

]]> By: Rasmus http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-263 Rasmus Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:34:49 +0000 http://blog.heick.nu/archives/2007/10/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down#comment-263 <p>>they did not behave like bloody idiots!</p> <p>I couldn't agree more. Ralph and Fantomaster have been in the Google's index as long as I can remember and they even offer solutions to do all sorts of stuff to/with Google. Moreover the index is still full of cloaking software providers, link sellers, SEO companies, get rich quick schemes and everything beyond the sun.</p> <p>HOWEVER most of these DO officially behave and don't rub it in Googles face…</p> <p>If I was Google I would go a very long way to weed out all and everything I could find even remotely close to that cloaking site and ban them into oblivion. Why shouldn’t I?</p> <p>It's their engine, it's their results, don't piss them off like that. It’s just dumb and amateurish.</p> >they did not behave like bloody idiots!

I couldn’t agree more. Ralph and Fantomaster have been in the Google’s index as long as I can remember and they even offer solutions to do all sorts of stuff to/with Google. Moreover the index is still full of cloaking software providers, link sellers, SEO companies, get rich quick schemes and everything beyond the sun.

HOWEVER most of these DO officially behave and don’t rub it in Googles face…

If I was Google I would go a very long way to weed out all and everything I could find even remotely close to that cloaking site and ban them into oblivion. Why shouldn’t I?

It’s their engine, it’s their results, don’t piss them off like that. It’s just dumb and amateurish.

]]> By: Mikkel deMib Svendsen http://blog.heick.nu/search-engine-thoughts/search-engine-optimization/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-262 Mikkel deMib Svendsen Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:20:32 +0000 http://blog.heick.nu/archives/2007/10/hiding-in-the-open-a-story-of-a-google-clamp-down#comment-262 > But it seems a bit strange that other cloakers like KloakIt and Fantomaster is still in the index hehe… No, thats not strange at all because they did not behave like bloody idiots! You stil have a LOT to learn in this business - thats for sure. And don't think for one second that Google will stop here. It is indeed a very realistic next step that they will start to remove some of your clients brand domains. It is not very difficult to verify that they ordered the cloaking with you and therefor is fair to punish. > But it seems a bit strange that other cloakers like KloakIt and Fantomaster is still in the index hehe…

No, thats not strange at all because they did not behave like bloody idiots!

You stil have a LOT to learn in this business – thats for sure.

And don’t think for one second that Google will stop here. It is indeed a very realistic next step that they will start to remove some of your clients brand domains. It is not very difficult to verify that they ordered the cloaking with you and therefor is fair to punish.

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